John Rickman RISC OS Notes

Email Messenger hermes 
newshound netfetch
finding email addresses
Email addresses can be got from mailing lists that you subscribe to.
eg for NetSurf on page:-
     .../listinfo/netsurf-users-netsurf-browser.org
there is a form to key in your subscription email and password
which gives access to a list of subscribers to the NetSurf users list

# mail logs
  mail logging is done by Hermes - the logs are in:-

   ADFS::HardDisc5.$.APPZ.N1.!NetFetch.Apps.!Hermes.Logs


# PC style delete keys
   Menu on a reply using built-in editor  >Misc  >choices....
   EmailEdit Choices:- PC style delete keys.


#  How to make a new mailing list
  on Messenger:Main groups (all) window
    button (or menu)  > New folder...
    Name: whatever
    **      the new folder shows in the Main groups list as a blue icon

        [  Messenger:Main groups                         ]
        [    Select whatever                             ]
        [     > >Group whatever > Info..                    ]
        [    shows full name is:  Folder.whatever        ]
        [                                                ]
        [  Messenger:Main groups                         ]
        [    If required:-                               ]
        [     > >Group whatever > Edit choices...           ]
        [    Copy settings from ... another folder       ]
        [                                                ]
        [  Messenger choices...Group Subscription ...    ]
        [      radio button: Folders ...                 ]
        [**    new folder is in list of Subscribed folders  ]

  Messenger choices.Group Management ...
      not much of interest here

  Messenger choices.Filtering Rules ...

      Add..
        Edit filter
          Name -. whatever_filter
          if matched store messages in
          drop down list  > whatever
          Set
      whatever_filter appears in list of Filtering rules

      Edit ...
        Edit filter
          Matching criteria - drop down list  > To
          Comparison - drop down list > =
          key in *whateverulike*
          Set

   Messenger choices.Mailing lists

      Add..
        Edit mailing list
          Name - eg. whatever_mlist
          Folder > whatever
          Address > whatever@wherever.com
          Set

 ** Notice
    The blue folder "whatever" has disappeared from Main groups
    and has been replaced by a scroll icon "whatever_mlist"

    Also it has disappeared from  Group.subscription.Folders,
    and an entry for "whatever_mlist" has appeared in
    Newsgroups/mailing lists

    But now the blue folder "whatever" has re-appeared in Main groups
    and in Group.subscription.Folders,


# To delete a mailing list
  Messenger choices.Mailing lists
  select then delete



# distribution lists entries
  distribution list entries can contain either email addresses or aliases.

#  Distribution lists - to expand the list name
  display the actual email addresses in the To: field
  - while the cursor is still in the line CTRL-TAB expands the list.

# distribution lists - where are they kept
  Public distribution lists are in ...!NewsDir.Messenger.MailLists
  Private lists are in ...!NewsDir.UserHome.John.Messenger.Distlists
   ctrl-f12 for command window...   *show news*
   NewsDir$Dir : ADFS::Panto.$.NEWSDIRS.maindir.!NewsDir

  alternate method..
     from Messenger address book
        > >Distribution lists  >Edit/View  >Public  >egtestlist...
         show list in SEd - close with alt-X to show dist lists folder


#   distribution lists - How to make a new one
  create the new list:-.
     Address Book > Distribution lists  >New...
     enter name for distribution list
     eg xxxxlist and click !New

 populate distribution list:-
      > >Distribution lists  >Edit/view  >xxxxlist
     xxxlist is opened is StrongEd window
      add  email addresses or aliases
      save file and quit

 add the list to the address book:-
    in window - Address book
      click !New...
    in window - New address book entry
     [tick] Distribution list
     select xxxxlist from dropdown list
    add name
    add folder
    add alias (same as name and file name)
    !Set

  the list can also be made up using StrongED


#  How to make a mailing list
  Create new folder - eg xxx

  From Messenger choices ...
    Mailing lists ...
      Button Add...
        drop-down list...
          select xxx
          Button Set ...

#   Usenet
   a list of usenet groups with FAQs can be downloaded from the ftp site:-
   ftp://rtfm.mit.edu

   login as user anonymous with any password

   the list of groups is in pub/usenet-by-group


#  Search
  do not use wildcard - to search for rickman in From field
  just use the string it will find any emails with rickman in the
  address - eg rickman@argonet.co.uk
  ****BUT USE ASTERISK IN FILTERS****


  don't forget date search - useful for splitting large folders
  eg (Richard Porter)
    Do a 'Search messages' for Date < Tue, 1st January 2013
    In the search results window 'Select all' then
    Selection > Move to > New folder
    Enter new folder name and tick 'Designate as archive group'
    Click 'Create'


#  DEBATCH of Mail
  open netfetch
     4,036,215 size of !Hermes
  fetch email
     4,041,557 size of !Hermes
     ...!NetFetch.Apps.!Hermes.MailDir.mailin.spool.
     has new mail item in #! rmail format in text file argonet
  start !Messenger
     4,036,477 size of !Hermes
     and spool now empty - file argonet debatched

#  DEBATCH of News
  open netfetch
     7,008,827 bytes in !NewsDir
  open !NewsHound and fetch the news
    7,008,827  bytes in !NewsDir
    no change as news has gone into
      .....!NetFetch.Apps.!NewsHound.News.folder
    where it is held as a #! rnews format file in dunNews
  (also file called dunNewGrp created)

  start !Messenger
    7,071,187 bytes in !NewsDir
    size has changed because news has been debatched and moved to
!NewsDir
      .....!NetFetch.Apps.!NewsHound.News.folder
      has had the downloaded news removed

# Sending mail
  When an email is sent it is appears in
  ...!NetFetch.Apps.!Hermes.MailDir.mailDir.mailout.text.
  and
  ...!NetFetch.Apps.!Hermes.MailDir.mailDir.mailout.work.
  as a text file with the name 01 (or 02 etc if 01 exists)
  the files are removed when the Hermes transport starts up

#  problem - Hermes won't send email - stuck in queue
  when this occurs switch debug logging on :-
  *set Hermes$Dump on
  log will be in RAM   (this problema documented in projects on A9)

#  remove a stuck mail item
  stop Hermes via the task display
  delete the item from the queue via icon >utilities >show queues

#  to transfer the group "test" from A9 to Iyonix
   on the A9Home machine:-
    > >Messenger-icon  >choices...Group Management
    >jr/test > >Export...   save in #! rmail format in a shared directory
   Note
    export seems to be the same as selecting all and saving as Raw
    (seq in date or they will look different)

   On the Iyonix machine:-

   drop "test" in:-
  ...!NetFetch.Apps.!Hermes.MailDir.mailin.spool.
   start !Messenger
     and spool now empty - file test debatched and mail items are in
     "Incoming mail" and shown as unread
     Select all the items and move them to an appropriate folder.

#  problem - "Messenger transport command failed" control file not found
  answer  - look in  ...!NetFetch.Apps.!Hermes.MailDir.mailout

  another problem - tried to send archive of Playit to Chris and Hermes got
  stuck - can also get stuck receiving mail only on A9 so far.

  Check !Hermes.MailDir.mailout for an orphaned file.
  There are text and work subdirectories below each, check that each
  file in one has a corresponding file in the other.

#  Hermes keeps the accounts, details are stored in:
   ADFS::HardDisc5.$.APPZ.N1.!NetFetch.Apps.!Hermes.Choices :-
   ADFS::HardDisc5.$.APPZ.N1.!NetFetch.Apps.!Hermes.Choices.Accounts
   ADFS::HardDisc5.$.APPZ.N1.!NetFetch.Apps.!Hermes.Choices.Choices


#  mail and news is stored in text files in !NewsDir
   egs:
    Apps.N1.!NewsDir.MsgServe.Backup.Mail.argonet.4de09054
    Apps.N1.!NewsDir.MsgServe.Backup.Mail.john/rickman.4de419e0
    Apps.N1.!NewsDir.MsgServe.Backup.News.4de4268a


   use messenger's Group subscription window to manage newgroups

#  Address book for messenger
     stored in current.....

         SCSI::SSD.$.jrNEWSDIRS.!NewsDir.UserHome.John.AddrBook01

     The current versions of MessPro do not have any obvious facility to
     export an address list. Internally the addresses are stored as a TAB
     separated list, with no header information. The current layout is

       NameTABAddressTABTAB0TAB0TABTABTAB0

     If there is an Alias, that appears between the second and third TAB.
     First Zero changes to 2 if address is PGP enabled.
     Second Zero doesn't appear to ever change.
     Third Zero changes to 5-digit number if address is colour coded.
     If address is within folders, then the folder path appears before
     the final TAB.

#  Sending and fetching of email is controlled by "accounts".
  These are of two types: connection, controlled by !DialUp;
  and transport, controlled by !Hermes. Both types are accessible
  from !DialUp choices.

  to turn autofetch of email on or off:
   > >DialUp  >Choices...
    >DialUp choices  >General...
    Mail/News transfer !X
    !B Save

 Accounts in DialUp
    the following shows the non-null entries for:-
      ADFS::HardDisc4.$.INTERNET.Providers.UK.Orpheus

    entry_name=Orpheus
    phone_number=1231621
    area_code=0845
    dial_as_is=0
    requires_logon=1
    type=0
    nntp_server=news.orpheusnet.co.uk
    pop_server=pop.orpheusnet.co.uk
    smtp_server=smtp.orpheusnet.co.uk
    use_imap=0
    use_same_proxy=0
    proxy_enable=0
    dns_address=213.130.128.32
    dns_alt_address=213.130.128.33

    after creating an DialUp account
     the following is the content of:-
      ADFS::HardDisc4.$.INTERNET.!DialUp.Choices.Accounts
      only new entries are shown


    name=bc89@orp
    password=*********
    display_password=0
    email_address=jr@riscos.org
    pop_password=*********
    pop_logon_name=bc89
    keep_alive=0

    When I defined a new DialUp account for ASTRAC a new email entry
    was created in Hermes for it


    after creating an email account for Orpheus mail
     the following is the content of:-
       ADFS::HardDisc4.$.INTERNET.!DialUp.Apps.!Hermes.Choices.Accounts

     AcctID:0001
     Name:jr 1
     Server:pop.orpheusnet.co.uk
     Port:110
     Log:2
     User:bc89
     Pwd:*********      not encoded in file hidden by jr
     Type:POP
     Local:jr
     MaxSize:500
     SizeTime:0
     OverSize:1
     Delete:off
     Fetch:on
     Skip:on
     Apop:off
     SSL:off
     FastDelete:on
     IPAddr:212.187.204.39
     LastResolve:1129485450

     AcctID:0002
     Name:Send 0002
     Server:smtp.orpheusnet.co.uk
     Port:25
     Log:3
     Type:SMTP
     Login:off
     Default:on

     new argonet account

     AcctID:0007
     Name:argomail
     Server:pop.orpheusnet.co.uk
     Port:110
     Log:2
     User:orp16
     Pwd:********          not encoded in file hidden by jr
     Type:POP
     Local:argonet
     MaxSize:500
     SizeTime:0
     OverSize:1
     Delete:off
     Fetch:on
     Skip:on
     Apop:off
     SSL:off
     FastDelete:off
     IPAddr:212.187.204.39
     LastResolve:1132655862

#  !NewsDir - see also !Messenger
  !NewsDir must be seen early on - on the Iyonix it is stored in
  the SCRAPZ directory on Panto which is looked at in "Boot at Startup"

  warning  - if another !NewsDir is run the paths will not be changed as
  the boot file only sets paths if they are not null.

    to make a new database:-

    1. copy the empty !NewsDir to somewhere suitable

    2. unset the current !NewsDir variables
       UnSet NewsDir$Dir
       UnSet NewsDir$Path
       UnSet UserHome$Dir
       UnSet NewsDir$Version
       show news*

    3. double click !NewsDir

    4. configure with name and email address

    5. er that's it
Email Messenger hermes newshound netfetch

finding email addresses

# mail logs

# PC style delete keys

# How to make a new mailing list

# To delete a mailing list

# distribution lists entries

# Distribution lists - to expand the list name

# distribution lists - where are they kept

# distribution lists - How to make a new one

# How to make a mailing list

# Usenet

# Search

# DEBATCH of Mail

# DEBATCH of News

# Sending mail

# problem - Hermes won't send email - stuck in queue

# remove a stuck mail item

# to transfer the group "test" from A9 to Iyonix

# problem - "Messenger transport command failed" control file not found

# Hermes keeps the accounts, details are stored in:

# mail and news is stored in text files in !NewsDir

# Address book for messenger

# Sending and fetching of email is controlled by "accounts".

# !NewsDir - see also !Messenger

Email Messenger hermes
newshound netfetch
